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Considering a bow thruster; best choices? - Trawler Forum
So without debating whether they're useful or not... without considering hydraulic thrusters or genset PTO options... and without considering external thrusters...
And assuming I'd probably prefer a 24V tunnel system with dedicated AGM batteries located very near the bow thruster, probably with a dedicated 24V own charger... in our 42' 28K-lbs boat...
I thought it might be useful to start with a "market survey" of sorts.
I've only superficially looked at options like the Imtra/Side-Power SE80 and the Vetus/Maxwell BOWD, without lots of time comparing thrusters to boat sizes/weights yet. I assume there might be decent options from Lewmar, Max Power, maybe others...
Who's got a thruster? Which one (brand/model)? In what boat?
Comments about horsepower vs. boat size? About single prop vs. dual prop? Good or bad about various brands or designs?
-Chris
Ok, I was looking at Imtra's site and saw a $1,300 difference on a $5,200 thruster. Figuring you would be looking at 5 figures all in, $1,300 wasn't significant.
Did you get an estimate on installing the tunnel?
In the grand scheme of things... you might well be right about what's significant.
Today is the first I've really thought of pursuing the whole idea... since it was just last evening I was informed it might be a good idea... so, no, haven't yet got anything more than hearsay about installation costs.
I'm guessing all in, thruster, assuming two Odyssey PC-s in series to 24V, a 24V charger, and some whiz-bang nifty controls, plus installation (including the tunnel)... maybe 2.5-3x the cost of just the thruster.
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-Chris
In the grand scheme of things... you might well be right about what's significant.
Today is the first I've really thought of pursuing the whole idea... since it was just last evening I was informed it might be a good idea... so, no, haven't yet got anything more than hearsay about installation costs.
I'm guessing all in, thruster, assuming two Odyssey PC-s in series to 24V, a 24V charger, and some whiz-bang nifty controls, plus installation (including the tunnel)... maybe 2.5-3x the cost of just the thruster.
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-Chris
Chris, I'm not an expert on bow thruster installations, nor have I ever played an installer on TV, however, this is what I know:
Installing the tube is not rocket science for a good fiberglass man. On a displacement hull boat, it's not that bad a job. Sean the guy who did the fiberglass and paint work on my refit has done one or two. I watched him do one and if you can figure out where the hole goes, the rest is fiberglass work.
With a planing hull there's more to putting the tube in. The placement is more critical and the eyebrow effect around the hole is important for hull performance when on plane. Simply, you want to make darn sure the installer has done a number of planing hulls including ones in your size.
While I'm just guessing from my armchair, a complete install from a bow thruster installer, soup to nuts, $15K. Hope it's less.
Ted
My take on thrusters is plan to dock like you don't have them and use them sparingly. This way you minimize battery capacity problems. Especially if you have twin engines. Use those engines and save the thruster until you really need the added sideways bump.
With a single engine or in more challenging docking conditions it'd be different. If you'd be fighting against a lot of tide, current or winds on a regular basis then larger battery capacity, 24v or going hydraulic, is definitely worth considering. But for around here on the Chesapeake conditions are usually mild enough to not have to get into extremes.
Yeah... but I'm not really debating whether I need a thruster or whether they're useful... or in what conditions. I've got enough experience with twins and a single to not really be bothered about all that...
At this point, it's just a question of "If I want a thruster, which do I get?" I've eliminated AC- or hydraulic-powered units as probably being more complex than I would want to fool with. Likely more expensive, too, but that's just a guess.
Then it also comes close to a question of a "Is 12V sufficient or is 24V (in a 12V boat) enough better to warrant the extra cost?"
Either way, I think I'll maybe need (or want) a new charger, maybe dedicated only to the thruster bank, and in that scenario... especially if a new charger could likely be co-located with the thruster bank and the thruster bank is colocated with the thruster... the difference between 12V and 24V may be a wash, cost-wise. I'm kind of debating this part with myself, as we speak.
We currently have an older 40-amp 12V charger dedicated to our port dual-purpose bank, and a 70-amp 12V inverter/charger dedicated to our starboard dual purpose bank.
Neither of those chargers is large enough to meet the two battery makers' recommendations for ideal minimum charging current... although they're "OK enough" at least for now. If the older 40-amp charger goes south, I'd likely replace it with a 60-amp unit, which may mean new wiring and still wouldn't meet recommendations for ideal minimum charging level for that bank.
Anyway, that kind of stuff is what's going through my mind just now...
High Wire makes an excellent point about being able to get service, in various places.
Which makes me ask if service possibilities on Side-Power, Vetus, or Max-Power units is roughly equal, or if one/some are much better than another?
-Chris
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